This thought-terminating cliche is getting so tired. You may as well just say “let’s just agree to disagree”.
It’s telling that this cliche is most often applied when western whataboutism is correctly called out, and all it does is serve to legitimize the act of manufacturing consent against China.
USA invents credit score way back in the 50s
credit score is immediately used to pull off the most calculatingly misogynistic, racist, and classist financial enforcement in modern history.
china implements a technically similar system that aims not to control working people’s financial agency, but to strengthen public trust.
the west immediately spins up the presses and releases dozens of hit pieces a year that manufacture consent against China by portraying the Chinese social credit system as an orwellian nightmare that will rip a child out of their parent’s home if the household spends too much time on videos games.
leftists identify this whataboutism and correctly call it out
liberals drop one of their various thought-terminating cliches to (not so) subtly bolster the western narrative - thus manufacturing consent against China.
You’ve been effortlessly oriented by the State Department and its various propaganda apparatus.
Not necessarily. You can consider two things and decide that none of them are good. You don’t know how much I considered both systems. You’re just guessing and are mad that I don’ share your opinion.
If you believe China’s social credit system is a good way to “strengthen public trust” then I want to know how you feel about people like Xu Xiaodong, whose social credit was destroyed for exposing fake martial artists and refusing to apologize to them.
Brother i don’t want to live in a country that scores my social media nor one that scores my credit. I have the right to not want either of those things
I’m still going to engage with you despite you not engaging with any part of my comment…
i don’t want to live in a country that scores [me]. I have the right to not want [that].
You sure do have that right. Your right to not want that is just dandy. However, Chinese people, by and large, do support their implementation of the social credit system. The Chinese people are developing their vision of socialism. For you to personally not like certain features of Chinese socialism is fine and dandy. But to condemn the Chinese for some aspect of their development of socialism that enjoys high support is chauvinistic of you.
Since when does having a “good behaviour score” have anything to do with socialism? Seriously wtf is this revisionism? It’s gotten so bad that so called “Marxists” accept any nonsense as long as it has a hammer and sickle on its flag.
What is wrong with you people? Does anyone even read anymore?
You’ve been effortlessly oriented by the State Department and its various propaganda apparatus.
Can you explain to me, how I’m propagandized by a foreign government when I’m not cheering on the policies of their opponent?
I’m not taking any sides on this conflict, because it’s not my conflict. I’m a socialist… Let me assure you that my fundamental critique of the chinese state apparatus doesn’t really align too much with the US state propaganda.
It doesn’t say it’s voluntary, it says there were voluntary pilot programs within the larger initiative, which, as far as I can tell, is not voluntary.
Also, there can be harsh penalties including being put on blacklists that prevent you from traveling or your children from receiving education.
I don’t get it either. The west is an imperialist death machine and capitalism is taking down the whole biosphere in its death throes. Instead of looking at China and seeing signs of the same authoritarian and imperialist cancer metastasizing in its government tankies stop at “they oppose the west” and give them a pass rather than realizing that their system is fundamentally compromised as well. If they believe a state is necessary to achieve what they consider true socialism then have some standards beyond “opposes the west” and stop hand waving the suicide nets at the Foxconn iPhone factory and the totally not concentration camps in Xinjiang. If anarchist theory involved caging people behind barbed wire, conducting mass censorship and surveillance, and allowing the existence of something so beyond the pale such as billionaires I would never have even considered it as an ideology much less a hill to die on.
It’s just brain-dead campism. Far from any proper application of Marxist theory. A lazy way of analyzing politics. It’s the same reason they support Russia even though they’re the same as the US
Two things can be bad at the same time.
Yes that seems to be the point of the post
Not if you look at OP’s other comments.
Nope, that’s literally the point of the post.
Something someone who doesn’t condone a system apparently says. /s
Oh, then you’re just not very good at conveying that it seems
I didn’t make the meme believe it or not.
“I didn’t make it, I just posted it and added a comment and everyone is misinterpreting it and reading into it”
Cool story.
This thought-terminating cliche is getting so tired. You may as well just say “let’s just agree to disagree”.
It’s telling that this cliche is most often applied when western whataboutism is correctly called out, and all it does is serve to legitimize the act of manufacturing consent against China.
You’ve been effortlessly oriented by the State Department and its various propaganda apparatus.
How is it thought terminating to consider two different things bad at the same time?
because you don’t actually consider them; you just assume they are
Not necessarily. You can consider two things and decide that none of them are good. You don’t know how much I considered both systems. You’re just guessing and are mad that I don’ share your opinion.
yeah, you’re right, i was assuming too :)
I really don’t know what you are trying to say here
If you believe China’s social credit system is a good way to “strengthen public trust” then I want to know how you feel about people like Xu Xiaodong, whose social credit was destroyed for exposing fake martial artists and refusing to apologize to them.
Brother i don’t want to live in a country that scores my social media nor one that scores my credit. I have the right to not want either of those things
…
I’m still going to engage with you despite you not engaging with any part of my comment…
You sure do have that right. Your right to not want that is just dandy. However, Chinese people, by and large, do support their implementation of the social credit system. The Chinese people are developing their vision of socialism. For you to personally not like certain features of Chinese socialism is fine and dandy. But to condemn the Chinese for some aspect of their development of socialism that enjoys high support is chauvinistic of you.
Since when does having a “good behaviour score” have anything to do with socialism? Seriously wtf is this revisionism? It’s gotten so bad that so called “Marxists” accept any nonsense as long as it has a hammer and sickle on its flag.
What is wrong with you people? Does anyone even read anymore?
Can you explain to me, how I’m propagandized by a foreign government when I’m not cheering on the policies of their opponent?
I’m not taking any sides on this conflict, because it’s not my conflict. I’m a socialist… Let me assure you that my fundamental critique of the chinese state apparatus doesn’t really align too much with the US state propaganda.
I see what you did there.
The former is a voluntary system, the latter can make you homeless.
It doesn’t say it’s voluntary, it says there were voluntary pilot programs within the larger initiative, which, as far as I can tell, is not voluntary.
Also, there can be harsh penalties including being put on blacklists that prevent you from traveling or your children from receiving education.
Both are technocratic systems of control.
Fucking tankies man
I don’t get it either. The west is an imperialist death machine and capitalism is taking down the whole biosphere in its death throes. Instead of looking at China and seeing signs of the same authoritarian and imperialist cancer metastasizing in its government tankies stop at “they oppose the west” and give them a pass rather than realizing that their system is fundamentally compromised as well. If they believe a state is necessary to achieve what they consider true socialism then have some standards beyond “opposes the west” and stop hand waving the suicide nets at the Foxconn iPhone factory and the totally not concentration camps in Xinjiang. If anarchist theory involved caging people behind barbed wire, conducting mass censorship and surveillance, and allowing the existence of something so beyond the pale such as billionaires I would never have even considered it as an ideology much less a hill to die on.
It’s just brain-dead campism. Far from any proper application of Marxist theory. A lazy way of analyzing politics. It’s the same reason they support Russia even though they’re the same as the US