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Just FYI in case you don’t know - SteamOS has changed and is now based on Arch, which means Bazzite is still fundamentally different.

Both are immutable distributions, meaning software installation via Flatpak and Distrobox is exactly the same.

System-level differences are mostly irrelevant which is a fundamentally different approach from Ubuntu, Mint, etc. where users are expected to juggle with PPAs to get newer drivers on their ancient Ubuntu LTS base.

Bazzite is great on desktop

Absolutely but people not interested in autolaunching Steam and other preinstalled launchers can use Aurora which is just the workstation flavor by the same people.

Aurora is the desktop/workstation version of Bazzite, btw.

Aurora, it’s the desktop version of massively popular Bazzite (which targets gaming). That means you’ll find tons of up to date tutorials online (Bazzite tutorials are usually applicable unless they are about the few features Bazzite and Aurora diverge specifically).

I explicitly advise against Ubuntu and Mint for the reasons I outlined here. Ubuntu and Mint have the added downside that almost none of the guides you’ll find about SteamOS will work: Different desktop, different philosophy.

People need to realize that since the success of Steam Deck the “old classics” of newbie recommendations are out of the window and what helps these users the most is a Linux distribution as close as possible to SteamOS but SteamOS is not available for random PCs, so Bazzite/Aurora are currently the way to go. Personally I like Fedora KDE but I shifted my stance since the linked post and trying out Aurora.

It’s not really enshittification when “Google reads your mail” has been the entire point since the launch of GMail. Relevant ads, grouping mails into topics, find spam, etc. has always been the selling point of GMail.

Sounds like they’re leaving the option open for Android developers to make their APK distributions compatible with Steam to play on Frame.

It was first reported months ago that Valve is involved with Waydroid (Android app compatibility for Linux with Wayland) and then at the Frame announcement confirmed to ship on Frame.

This could also potentially mean that Steam itself comes to Android (at least in the EU) to allow cross-buy and cross-progression.

Google is developing a Linux runtime for Android, Valve are making an ARM version of Steam, so it could be usable but I don’t think it’ll light the world on fire.

Sure, you get an A for answering the question, but my point was that the hate they get today on Linux is misguided because people only have vague or non-specific complaints.

Not learning from the past means repeating the same mistakes. I see little evidence that NVidia’s overall approach changed. It’s always that everyone has to adapt to their way of doing things and rarely that NVidia seek collaboration first. That’s why it has taken years and three entirely different memory management technologies.

With NVidia it’s always “This is the last piece of technology and then everything will be perfect.” ExplicitSync is only the latest episode. Now that ExplicitSync is there, compatibility on Linux is still a crapshoot with NVidia.

When Nvidia announced that they were going to move the proprietary parts of their driver into the GPU firmware, and open source the kernel module, there was a lot of hate about how they’re being assholes for not releasing the whole thing as open source, relying on proprietary blobs, etc. Yet that’s stupid, because it’s literally the exact same thing AMD and Intel do for their much beloved drivers.

Where is the closed source user space of Intel and AMD drivers? It doesn’t exist because they use Mesa for the best possible compatibility. NVidia don’t. I’ve read comments by people bashing the recent Baldur’s Gate 3 Linux release and being full of graphics glitches. Then they list their hardware as proof how great it is and they all have NVidia GPUs.

Afaik, their drivers support GBM today so it’s kind of outdated.

Well, of course. I literally said this was a fight over years, so of course in the past. You wanted to one example of why the hate and I gave you one example of why the hate.

Can you give an example?

Trying to push three different technologies years after AMD, Intel, Mesa, … agreed on GBM.

In case you aren’t aware, Nvidia was the main driving force behind getting explicit sync support into Wayland, which is a feature that greatly improves performance for modern graphics APIs.

In case you’re not aware but it took years of fighting NVidia for them to finally conform to standards and conventions agreed by everyone when NVidia didn’t care to participate.

The issues may be totally valid but yeah, Nvidia can be expected to have patches ready.

Looks similar to the Google ffmpeg situation where Google AI file bug reports, bury the developers, and don’t send any patches at all.

Patches welcome

Most sales happen on Steam

I literally already wrote that.

except those few rare examples.

Those “rare examples” combine to a massive revenue. In case of EGS and Fortnite, it’s very clear that EGS is installed and actively used on a giant number of PCs, so the installed base is there. It’s not a Steam monopoly if the user base signed up to and uses EGS for Fortnine and such.

And yes, they are a monopoly in gaming.

The biggest PC games aren’t on Steam. Minecraft isn’t, Fortnite isn’t, Roblox isn’t. Because of Fortnite alone, the installed base of EGS is massive, the people just choose to buy their non-Epic games somewhere else.

they are a PC gaming company, period.

And a hypothetical Steam Phone would be an ARM PC, dockable for a full PC experience but mobil use could be similar to XPeria Play. It’s not a huge leap from Steam Deck formfactor-wise.

Not even speculation, just shitposting.

Valve confirmed that there are more ARM devices in the making. The type of device is speculation.

SteamDeck doesn’t run Android, it runs full Linux.

SteamOS on Frame is compatible with Android apps because it ships Waydroid. When Valve contributions to Waydroid surfaced months ago, I already speculated that it’s probably a porting aid for Quest games to Deckard but as soon as the tech is there (which it is now), you can bet there is someone at Valve flashing SteamOS onto a Pixel phone or so, just tinker with it.

Seems excessive when you can just as well use RustDesk.

That’s like saying that the year of Linux came when Android release.

It’s usually “Year of the Linux Desktop” and Android is a mobile platform, not a desktop OS.

it’s a bastardized monster clone of the original.

Android developments did benefit areas like power saving, so why the hate. Android is no GNU/Linux because of the lack of glibc.

MacOS is “Unix” in paid certification dollars only.

macOS, the Darwin layer specifically, is totally a BSD. Even with the Mach bits in the kernel because Mach itself is derived from BSD.