I took it as turning the discussion around - I.e. what to do if your neighbour behaves as above? If so, it sounds like a good way to get people to think about respectful behaviour.

Igneous rock lover enters the chat!

(Waiting to be shot down for my geological ignorance!)

Prepostosaurus more like…!

I guess the man’s hair makes her fingers look more pointy. If you’re eternal and out to drink blood, you’ve got pointy fingers y’know.

Is that leadership or just breeding and/or social dominance though? Do they tell others where and when to hunt e.g.? I’m not so knowledgeable about seals of any species so a genuine question.

I’d argue that parents are different to a ‘leader’ as we perceive them, or as I read was suggested in the comment. Children will stick with their parents, up to the point at which they’re ready to start their own family, like you say, but is that leadership in the same sense?

But yes, I agree, pack = family is accurate.

Dogs don’t need a leader - the whole alpha male wolf thing has long been disproven, by the original author none the less. Dogs are highly social and live in groups, yes, but there’s no boss dog. Very few animals have a concept of a leader. In fact I’d argue that none do and it’s a totally human idea.

I like your cat/dog thinking idea though. Cats very much think ‘me me me’!

He’ll be coming soon, I can hear him approaching…

My middle name is applius

Not heard of them, thanks for the recommendation, that’ll be tonight’s listening sorted!

Listening to Tool right now, love 'Maiden but enjoy pre Bruce as much as the rest… NIN, Anthrax, Sick of it All, Type O Negative, Paradise Lost, Sepultura…must be some kinda metal chameleon circa 90s-00s!

And here I am sat drinking beer, watching tv. The pinnacle of the evolution of the universe.

Thank you, and goodnight!

https://piped.video/watch?v=51fcG3sxvII

Oh that’s Muffit! Enjoy a tipple on me! ;)

If you’d like to hear about the versatility of the word ‘fuck’ click and enjoy some Wildhearts at the same time :)

https://youtu.be/3ZLFlzDazvA

You may want to skip the last minute…on the original cd it was waaay longer!

I had to look this up as it sounded unusual, but looking at the younh plant it is basically a small trunk covered in long floppy pine leaves/needles that superficially looks like a clump of grass at first. I suspect there’s no evolutionary advantage to looking like grass, but storing up energy before growing upwards makes sense if there’s a periodic fire risk with each fire risk period being over a couple of years. Also handy for dealing with browsing pressure from particulary hungry critters following a fire.

Direct link to the report

https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/6795/Starving-civilians-in-northern-Gaza-lured-to-aid-sites-and-executed,-revealing-brutal-pattern-of-Israel’s-genocide

I sell the truth, that is my fan. Mits off! You now owe me $5.

Quite possibly, I’m a devout athiest so don’t even begin to think in any religious or spiritual terms (could you tell?!)

But yes, I certainly agree with that statement without argument. Thanks for the discussion :)

Haha, I thought you’d say that! Well no, given how widspread and old religion and spiritually is that’s not possible for anyone but a child raised by wolves to say it hasn’t been an influence!

My centre point of discussion is to look back before, wayyyy before any of these ideas could be cultivated. I feel that you are starting somewhere at a point where these morals are in the process of being developed and refined, if in early days, so your arguments are somewhat self supporting (happy to be corrected, just the impression I’m getting).

You say there’s no point in discussing what cannot be proven with evidence…well that makes this whole discussion somewhat defunct then unfortunately!! I’d already written the below so I’ll leave it should you wish to discuss further despite this :)

You say it was necessary for formation of larger social groups etc but…I go back to my basic starting point of “I don’t like…” As you say there needs to be discussion, development and unity of belief for it to become a recognisable, repeatable, lasting moral system. But that just demonstrates my point that basic, individualistic morals came first then once complex language started to develop then shared likes and dislikes become more prevalent. Imagine what it was like before? Just take a look at chimpanzees.

The developement of shared beliefs, religious or otherwise, will no doubt have occurred simultaneously. Overlapping, replacing and morphing over millions of generations. Some ideas being discarded/diminished as other new ones arose - e.g. that great 1 in 1000 year volcano eruption replacing the end of the 20 year flood occurance, to use my natural disaster example again.

But “I don’t like…” is still the starting point for pretty much any discussion about morals as far as I believe.