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Weak comparisons help no-one, photoshop is nothing like LLM’s

Then people need to specify that they’re against generative LLMs, like Chat-bots or slop-generators, not “all AI”.

There was just a thread on Twitter where a company showcased an amazing tool for animators - where you, for example, prepare your walking/sitting/standing animations, but then instead of motion-capturing or manually setting the scene up, you just define two keyframes - the starting and the ending position of the character… and then their AI picks the appropriate animations, merges between them and animates the character walking from one position to the other.

It’s a phenomenal tool for creatives, but because the term “AI” appeared, the company got shat on by random people.

All of the big commercial LLM’s (without exception afaik) have been trained on a large corpus of data that has been obtained by various sketchy and illegitimate means

No. All generative graphical slop AIs and generic chat-bot LLMs have been trained on large corpus of data that has been obtained by various sketchy and illegitimate means.

THAT’S the major difference.

If you are using a model that has only been trained on legally obtained data, disregard this point.

I’m not even against competent tool use of LLM’s but please use better arguments.

And yet, the guy I was responding to wrote:

So I’m gonna execute the code of someone who doesn’t know the first thing about coding on my computer? Great!

I’d rather have AI art and human code.

So, he basically says something that directly contradicts what you’re saying - he prefers the generative slop machines, than tools that actually help developers or artists.

Yes. It’s a system where we can create an entry for every case, monitor it, log all activity, manage who’s responsible, who needs to approve, and who owns which parts of the process, automate everything that needs automating, and - in case of an audit - present the entire lifespan of the case, from start to finish to the auditor.

No need, we have a tool for that. One that’s decidedly not email…

And you seem to think that “ticketing system” can only be used for IT incident management. It’s like you’re not aware of integrations with (or flat out specialised tools for) knowledge management systems, HR systems, CRM systems, asset management systems, and a billion others.

You still didn’t give me any example of a process you had in mind so, yeah, I agree, the discussion is pointless.

I don’t get why you have to go to such extremes here.

AI is an extremely broad spectrum of tools. Some of them, yes, use stolen graphics to generate derivative graphics. Some of them attempt writing code.

But others let you create things that would normally require hundreds of thousands of dollars while still retaining the necessary creative input from the author.

If you are against such tools as the one used in the linked video, I think you should also stand very much against Photoshop allowing people to paint without using actual pigments and oil.

Already have provided 1 of many examples: classing. Applying a type to the communication relevant to the business

This is not an example. What type of communication? Are you classing emails? Are you classing internal documents? Are you classing marketing material? Are you classing internal comms?

To the process it could be scope, direction, decision ect. This can route, tag, extract, modify and move/copy messages automatically to target services

This description screams “use a proper ticketing system” to me but, again, I feel like I don’t have enough information about the process you’re talking about.

However jumping between apps is

A badly designed process or the wrong app.

So if someone can build an app like Outlook that has rich email, calendaring and pure depth of functionality that it has. This would be a massive barrier removal if not in my oppinion the last barrier for mass business FOSS adoption

Again, this all sounds like you guys are using the wrong tools for the job, but would need to hear more details.

So you’re advocating for slowing process, bad user experience, and duplicating shitty email functionality in every app to receive and send email limiting communications. Got it.

Yeah, if you ignore everything I said and invent your own stuff, then this is exactly right.

Yes they do. Duplicating email into other systems that doesnt have anywhere near the same functionality and flow as their dedicated email app which is designed for email is frustrating, and restricts communication

I’m still trying to wrap my head around the fact that you think that email is somehow the peak of UX.

Could you give me an example of a process that’s much better handled via API to Outlook than literally anything else?

Wtf does classing have to do with ticketing systems. It applies to records management, project management, legal case management, the list goes on. It applies to most business

Wow, these all sound like important things that should definitely not be handled via Outlook. But, again, I might be super wrong - please give me an example, because maybe we’re talking about two different things.

Oh my sweet summer child. I’ve got news for you: email is HOW business is conducted. That is not going away any time soon.

Are you from the US?

Just FYI in case you don’t know - SteamOS has changed and is now based on Arch, which means Bazzite is still fundamentally different.

I personally went with Garuda Linux for two reasons:

1. SteamOS is Arch based (so is Garuda)
2. When researching issues, 80% of the time you’ll end up on the Arch Wiki anyway. Might as well use the actual thing.

Bazzite is probably easier to use for newbies (immutable, relatively stable update windows), but in terms of “I found a guide for SteamOS online on how to get game X working”, Garuda will be much better. Also, Garuda devs included their Rani app, which helps the user take care of the OS, handling a lot of the maintenance.

Some individuals even have articulated limbs capable of blocking specific overly bright spots of their point-of-view at a comfortable distance from the eyes.

Big if true!

Client api is responsive, fast

If it’s done right. So, just like an app.

access to local OS and local hardware

I’m already speaking for switching from Outlook with API to apps, you don’t need to sell it to me!

Severely limits access to other services which is very important when moving data.

Read this again.

You’re advocating for moving data via Outlook. Mate, I hate to break it to you, but this is peak insanity!

You have conflated User Experience with User Interface. I didnt say UI for that obvious reason

UI is integral to UX. That’s why I mentioned it.

Also: “familiar UX” makes little sense. People don’t get “familiar” with UX, the UX is either good or bad. That’s why I mentioned both.

Having to open and process the same flow of task from one app to another app breaking concentration is bad fucking UX

Here’s the thing: it shouldn’t be “teh same flow of task from one app to another”. Modern apps tend to encompass the entirety of a process.

Something as simple as classing becomes simple when the context of the conversation is very easy to get and more accurate when you dont duplicate an entire chain.

That’s what ticketing systems are for.

In general: using email for business processes must die just as much as using Excel for a “database”.

Because other than appearance and keyboard shortcuts, I haven’t configured anything to affect these behaviors

Which is another aspect of the “Windows is more stabled” that I meant earlier.

I switched my laptop last year and installed Arch with Plasma 6 so it was working out of the box

The save window position thing was also working out of the box on mine. Only after it stopped I started looking into this and found that, apparently, it’s NOT a thing KDE/Wayland can do. I don’t know how it worked, but settings also show that feature doesn’t exist - if you go to System Settings → Window Management → Window Behaviour → Advanced → Window placement, I only have these options available: “Minimal Overlapping”, “Maximised”, “Random”, “Centred”, “In Top-Left Corner” or “Under Mouse”. There’s no “Remember” or “Restore previous” or anything like that.

I remember that it used to work on my Garuda (Arch-based), but then one day it just went away and never came back. Considering issues like this it seems like it might be something cobbled-together by various distros rather than a default functionality of Wayland or KDE.

It is out of the box. Meta + Arrow Keys and/OR Meta + PgUp.

Ah, OK, nice! I didn’t see it as it’s not available via mouse, but found all those threads saying it doesn’t exist. Good to know!

Confirmed works by FarrellPerks@feddit.uk in above comments

Doesn’t work on Garuda (Arch-based) with KDE.

Or rather: it used to work, but then just stopped.

I don’t know about desktop towers, for laptop it is always only one instance — my laptop display, monitor is dark before I hit enter

Interesting! On my laptop I also had two instances of SDDM.

same happens on KDE Plasma.

Not where I’m sitting. Tested via cat accidentally turning a monitor off. The browser window just stayed on that screen - the process was there, but the application was not available.

Stability? Update management? Window tiling? What? Linux does have all of these things.

No.

In fact Linux is way more stable than Windows

I install Windows and forget about it. I install Linux and have to do all this, and then it still might do this or this.

Mind you, it does depend on the distro

Agreed.

and the amount of stability you want

I want all the stability.

but I have been running Debian servers for years and I hardly run into problems.

Not talking about servers.

But even then - at my last job we finally killed off a Windows Server that had an uptime of over 1000 days, just chugging along like a little trooper. At my previous-previous job I was responsible for the WinServer updates, every single one of them was getting monthly updates and reboots, didn’t have a single issue in 7 years. It was just shy of 100 servers.

The only thing windows offers over Linux is gaming and a better UI. Even both of those are dwindling away. I hate the new windows 11 UI and most games work on Linux unless you require a rootkit for some anti cheat software.

Agreed. I have Garuda Linux installed on my gaming PC and only had minor issues with three titles. It’s surprisingly frictionless.

Especially when you’re on Arch with KDE, you don’t have:

1. good update management
2. window tiling
3. saving window positions

I know because I’m on Arch with KDE.

By “good update management” I mean what MS does - all updates are pushed once a month, on Patch Tuesday (second Tuesday of the month). You can put it in your calendar and plan for a necessary reboot.

I know Arch is a rolling release so it doesn’t have that on purpose, but it’s not much better with Ubuntu - I was getting updates every couple of days, once a week at best.

Window tiling doesn’t exist “out of the box”, you need third party software (which, apparently still doesn’t give you what Windows has out of the box) or a switch from KDE to COSMIC, which still doesn’t give you the freedom of choice that Windows has (it’s either “everything is tiled” or “nothing is tiled”).

Saving window positions (on Wayland) is the most confusing one, because it seems like the one that’d be the easiest to implement, but KDE devs just flat out refuse to do it. I hear that it works on X11.

Multi-monitor support is piss poor. If I spread my windows across multiple monitors and then turn one monitor off, those windows are no longer accessible. SDDM displays the same interface on each monitor, and each is a separate instance of SDDM - meaning, you can type in your password on monitor 2, and if you press “OK” on monitor 1, it will fail, because the password field is empty. It’s just silly design. On Windows, if you disconnect an extra screen, all the content gets dropped on the main screen. Since Windows 11, if you then re-connect the screen, all windows will pop back into their places before the disconnect happened.

No. I said that there’s a bunch of things (e.g. stability, updates management, features (like window tiling), etc.) that Windows has and Linux does not.

There’s A LOT Linux does great. There’s also a lot Windows does great that Linux massively fails at.

Even some silly things like multi-screen support or saving windows positions between reboots… Lots of small things.

I really don’t see what more Windows has to offer than Linux

Stability, updates management, built-in features (like window tiling), etc.

Source: using Linux exclusively for almost a year now.

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